Just why is GW Community so Rude?

[fireflyry]

Originally Posted by Franco Power

You guys seem to be forgetting what you were like when you were teenagers, I remember a LOT of hormones and very short temper or mood swings back then, I don't know, maybe I was just bad, but as an adult, it's YOUR job to be the mature one and not involve yourself with vulgar arguements ,specially on the internet, ever heard that saying "Argueing on the internets is like the special olympics, you may win, but you're still retarded". Although, I know that sometimes, these are impossible or hard to avoid, but a strong personality (something a LOT of you lack), security and a good sex life can easily be the key to change you from becoming offended to little things kids do, to not caring at all.

Your confusing observation of behavior with actually taking part in said behavior and making gross generalizations as to why many object to this just invalidates your opinion.

It's up to the player to dictate their individual behavior, age regardless, not the adult or more mature player's response.

People with strong personalities who are secure and have sex ten times a day are in many cases as effected by "rude" in-game behaviour as anyone else and one does not have to take part in such "arguments" for it to effect their game.

I do agree that ignoring it certainly helps but often the basis and creation of a good MMO community is, in great part, due to the fact many speak out against such behavior as opposed to letting it continue unchecked.

In many ways ignoring is condoning.

[Kinn]

^^^ Besides, if you're sunk to the nuts 24/7 I don't think you're gonna be spending much time on an MMO forum.

[Franco Power]

Originally Posted by fireflyry

Your confusing observation of behavior with actually taking part in said behavior and making gross generalizations as to why many object to this just invalidates your opinion.

You're wrong, end of discussion for me, even if you think you're not wrong and I'm wrong, I don't care because I know I'm right and you're wrong.
Is this too confusing for you or do you now get the picture? If you think you're right, and you're fighting with a kid in game on a MMORPG, keep your opinion to yourself, come out a bigger man and stop looking for arguements with teenagers, if you truly believe you are right and it's nothing you could clearly gain advantage of(a fight on a online game over some RA match or a PvE mission) then don't even bother retaliating back since it's pointless. Follow my example, "I know I'm right and you're wrong and you think I'm wrong and you're right."Okay, so move on, if we're talking about real life situations where money or something important is involved then by no means ignore the person and fight for what's right, but if it's some wammo giving you grief, then just ignore it.

It's up to the player to dictate their individual behavior, age regardless, not the adult or more mature player's response.

Except this is not how real life works, Age has a big impact on how people
think. I don't know if you have kids or ever dealt with kids, but considering their short life and often being supported by their parents or having other people do everything for them, they tend to be less mature and less aware of real life then adults.

People with strong personalities who are secure and have sex ten times a day are in many cases as effected by "rude" in-game behaviour as anyone else and one does not have to take part in such "arguments" for it to effect their game.

There's this thing called stress, sometimes, it affects people's emotions and judgement. A good way to feel stress free is by feeling secure and good about ourselves and sex is one of the best and healthiest ways to relief stress. There's a reason why psychiatrists always ask a married couple who's having difficulties about their sex life, they aren't curious pervets, it's a very important part of a Humans well being.

I do agree that ignoring it certainly helps but often the basis and creation of a good MMO community is, in great part, due to the fact many speak out against such behavior as opposed to letting it continue unchecked.

Ofcourse not, only Anet Moderators (which pratically don't exist since they actually don't really do anything besides ban people's accounts for no reason or ask for 3 year old receipts of a 19.99$ game) can take action in this.
People in the same position as the other one, if they try to tell other people what's right and that their wrong, in game or in a online forum, nothing but flames will happen, so no, this is not possible, one of the main reasons there is so much verbal hate in GW is because there are no in-game mods to prevent this and punish these actions and most people who are verbal abused don't have the patience to go through all the democracy it takes to report in GW, in a game like WoW for example, you tell a in-game mod, he checks out the ingame chat between the two players and comes to a conclusion, in Guild Wars you have to go to PlayNC, take screenshots, email them, wait 3 days for a response, and then only then, the mod will make a decision, it's just too much trouble most people don't want to bother to go through.

In many ways ignoring is condoning.

And you honestly think that you, a person behind a RPG character who the 15 year old you are talking to has never met before and already thinks he is better then you are and is right anyway,can change that kids mentallity? Do you even know how teenagers work? Honestly, how old are you yourself? Because anyone who has kids or has worked with kids before, sees this as a failed battle, to reach a troubled teenager you have to be very carefully in the way you approach the situation, you have to analyse the kids emotions through body language and the way he talks, you can't see any of this behind a computer screen, it's a failed battle 99% of the time. But please, keep it up if you think it works.




PS: In case you didn't notice our last 2 posts were deleted by a mod, so I have no intention in discussing anything with you and am now going to apply the first rule I posted.

[credit]

Originally Posted by Avarre

The Guild Wars community is nowhere near the rudest community on the internet.

If anyone thinks that this community is bad, go to the CAL forums for any game.

[Navaros]

GW community is so rude because no one likes having their time wasted. Being nice to bad players and taking them into parties will inevitably result in a whole whackload of wasted time and frustrating experiences of failure caused by them for stupid reasons. This is compounded by the fact that sometimes it is only well-into a time investment of waiting for a party to be formed, and then fairly deep into a mission, that one realizes a bad player(s) has hijacked the party and is causing/will cause failure and mass amounts of wasted time.

[Dylananimus]

Originally Posted by Franco Power

About the whole, being angry about the guy who said teenagers should be playing games more then adults" " most teenagers have only school to do and then they are free for the rest of the day."

I would seriously, sincerely hope that most kids would be able to find many more entertaining, enjoyable, and healthy things to do than sit and play games all night after homework

The majority of gamers are in the 20-30 category because we grew up along side the gaming industry, we've gone through being kids and playing outside, and doing sports, and are in the between area of having to take care of kids, etc. Obviously I'm making a sweeping statement here, but I imagine most players in that age category have less to actually 'do' than kids of 14. Kids of 14 should be doing after school activities like football, or reading clubs or things that actually help them learn and grow. If they're not, and they're playing games all night then their parents want pulled aside and talking to.

To say a person of 30 years old shouldn't have as much free time as a 14 year is quite silly in this day and age. It's not that hard to manage a house and bills after you get home from work...it's kinda like homework for adults. And you have to realize, more people these days stay single into their 30s. They don't want to be tied down with kids, etc, so that their free time is not their own. They want to keep independant for as long as possible (certainly this is the trend in Europe anyway)

The world is shifting. We don't have to reach 20 these days and start planning for pensions, kids, and retirement. Most of us want to prolong our 'childhood' well into adulthood. And some of us are using the opportunity to play games now...because when we were younger we had better things to do - like go outside and play games there

And just to point out...it's not just kids who are rude and offensive online. More often than not I find the most obnoxious people to be older people who believe they 'know it all' and use verbally abusing people to feel better about themselves and their lives. Kids don't hold the monopoly on being idiots

[Franco Power]

While I really don't agree with you cutting half of my post and words in that sentence then quoting it, I feel obliged to reply that what I meant with that statement is that yes, kids these days, and this problem grows larger everyday, are leaving physical and extra-curricular activities to lead a more sedentary life playing video games, watching TV or browsing the net. This unfortunatly, and I'm sorry people, but it's the hard truth, is more often the parents fault, it's easier to buy the kid a videogame then to take him to soccer practise 3 days a week, it's easier to let the kid watch TV then play a educational game with them or pay for some piano lessons and it is of human nature to always take the easier route. I myself remember a childhood friend who I went to school with who his father was very entusiastic about video gaming, since it was a new thing back then (when the first consoles came out, I'm talking 8 bit ones, really simple stuff), he would buy a lot of games for himself, and ofcourse, their father-son moments were almost all spent in front of a TV, result, this kid by the age of 12 became quite fat for his age and lived a very unhealthy life, well, I haven't seen him in probably 10 years but I doubt he has changed much, keeping in mind that this is also very uncommon in my home country Portugal, where we are very famous for our football players, healthy mediterrenean cuisine and lifestyle. Still, it just shows that this isn't just a "American" thing, it's everywhere now, Europeans, specially the English, German and Dutch (cold weather country's who really have no entertainment for kids aged 14-18), it's pretty terrible, between standing in the snow or rain it's obvious that most kids these days choose the comfort and luxurys that most of us didn't have while growing up.

I don't know what country you are in Europe, but I've lived and worked in Portugal, Holland and England, and certanly that was not the case, specially in England where teenage pregnancy rates are so high, I wouldn't say it's a trend to stay single until you're 30 here and I really don't know many people in their 30s who are still single, but hey, lucky them if they are in my honest opinion.



Edit: Another thing I'd like to point out in your post, you make it sound as if the educational system these days is very demanding on kids, it's now easier then ever, they don't have it like we did, there isn't much homework to be assigned, the tests keep being brought down to raise test scores instead of pupils being pushed harder (this would be the correct way of doing it in my opinion), so no, the average adult with a good job, I'm talking ofcourse about physicians, solicitors, police officers, Engineers, architects, company officers... between their career and family, there is not much free time to go around, ofcourse if you're single and your job isn't too demanding, then yes, you might have as much free time as a 14 year old kid would.

[Srinivassa]

Personally, I think it is mostly kids being rude. I have figured that a lot of kids who have this game don't like, and it wasn't what they wanted to begin with. Their parents probably made them get it because of lack of a monthly fee or lack of having to pay for a console.

Consquently, these kids think the game is "gay," and spend most of their time whining and insulting and scamming and spamming and just generally being a pain.

I think a lot of the kids who get this game want something with a lot of action like Halo 3 or Crysis, but their parents won't shell out the bucks. They decide to play Random Arenas, but they get their ass kicked. Then they blame other people or just be mean to them for sport, since they don't like the game anyway.

Then, they find out they need to unlock runes and weapon mods and skills and such, so they have to play the PvE which is "mega-gay." That's why you always get these non-participants in PUGs, or morons who just purposely go away from the group and screw around.

In the end, you get people who will just spend all their time griefing and trying to scam people just because they hate the game, and they think everyone who plays it is an idiot. Unfortunately, they are kids, and they just can't manufacture the cash to get that Xbox or that 8800GT. Plus they are probably at that age where they don't like being under their parents' jurisdiction to begin with.

I think that accounts for the unusual stupidity and rudeness in GW. WoW has plenty of people who screw things up and beg for gold and such, but it just doesn't seem like there are so many full-time losers to deal with. I mean, there are people who must spend hours in GW running scams that make them 1-2k. You'd make more money actually playing the game or running or anything.

Anyway, apart from the X-factor, which is these kids who hate the game but don't have anything better to do than waste people's time, I think the game is pretty much a standard level of rudeness and stupidity for the internet.

I guess my formula would be: standard internet community + grab bag of sullen teenagers = nuisance which can be avoided

[Chasing Squirrels]

Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Does the difficulty level of GW contribute to the rude culture of the GW community? Someone made a thread recently supposing that GW full of children ruining the game. Many quickly pointed out that jerks and rudeness was coming from all ages in the GW community. So I would like to explore why everyone is GW is not not singing kumbuya and bonding at the hip. I think its because GW is an extremely demanding game. I have never played another MMO but I have heard of people doing laid back activities in other games such as crafting and fishing. These people who play these games just log on for a playful rump in the sandbox it seems. Meanwhile GW is a warbox with no time to chill, once you leave the outpost its “game on” or die. Scrubs, n00bs or any type of mistake can’t be tolerated because any incompetence on anyone’s part can make an eight man team fail in pve or pvp. Many people because of the difficulty of the game I believe are frustrated and hostile. Think about your friends list. It is probably strictly made up of good players, guys you held halls with and ran though elite and hard mode missions more utilitarian relationships than anything else, when was the last time you failed a mission or got wiped in pvp and bothered to add those people to your friends list? GW is the skill>time game which is why we all love it, yet the cost of the challenge is an extreme intolerance for imperfection in our community. Given this I don’t ever think GW will have a friendly community, even the charr are rude and rank you when they win. Yet I would rather fight HM charr than fish any day. Thoughts?.

Welcome to the internet.

[Robbert Monga]

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

It's because it has no monthly fee.

...and we have the winner! Thread can be closed.

EDIT: No wait, i have few more points.

Kids to blame? Yeah, right. Way to use age as insult. I find people who do that usually themselves are in their late (or just out) teens.

Waaaaaait a second. Is that a Shadowspawn X complaining about people being rude? Is that the same Shadowspawn X I used to run FOW with back in old days? Same guy who would cuss and whine on vent about every pug and non-pug behind their back and blame just about everyone for his overaggroing stuff? Way to go my man! I wonder if I still have you on my ignore list.

[Fril Estelin]

I'm going to tell everyone here that part of the explanation can be found in exactly this thread: re-read it when you're not emotional or opinionated about this topic and you'll feel the emotion; of course the flame is a bit low atm, but everyone can hear coming the close-thread stick because flame leads to more flame. And you don't need to be a kid to flame, it's childish behaviour that looks ok because it's done by adults (some of which will defend their right to flame, while they would blame kids saying the exact same stuff).

Grow up, have a civilised and non-flame discussion (I guess trolls make this more difficult), and then you'll realise that it has nothing to do with being a "kid" and everything with immaturity.

[Nemo the Capitalist]

Originally Posted by Lykan

Because people expect you to be good. Welcome to Anets cookie cutter button mashing world. Where if your dumb enough to make a mistake you will pay for it.

Unlike most games, WoW for example anyone can get the best stuff and play on the elite missions without difficulty and due to Anet making the game easier *cough UB* as long as you have the right skills you can 'try' to play most high end missions, effectively bypassing the need to actually be good at the game.

Imo 90% of people trying to play the high end content of GW will suck at it. But they will get thru somehow and think they are great. "Very exp I have completed before!"

Where as in another game you have to work very very hard to get the items and necessary gaming knowledge, levelling etc... to even attempt highend content. And then try find a decent guild to take you on the runs with full team co-ordination and vent/ts a big requirement..

The most team co-ordination you get in GW pugs is "u bring cons k??"

I thank you for wasting your time for explaining this issue. I was too lazy to write all of this out and you are mostly right thank you for writing this out!


Doa.....HoH (plz have all skills unlocked etc)....and many many others

[toastgodsupreme]

I played CoH, almost never ran into a rude person there. In fact, I can't recall the last rude person I met there.

I played WoW, the only rude people I met there were people who hated me because my pally beat them down in a duel.

I played Ragnarok Online... can't remember a rude person there. Even the jerks in the pvp arenas were nice after they ganked you.

But there's something about GW. Something about it that brings out the worst in some people. I'll admit, I'm not always the nicest person. But usually it's in jest. But this community... I dunno about it. People LOVE to put you on ignore then shit talk you to death. People love to rage quit even if they're not the person who died.

You know what I just realized? Those three games above have shared worlds outside of the towns. Sure, CoH and WoW have instanced dungeons, but the world is shared.

[Fragile Feeling]

Also, I'd suggest checking out any of the numerous places that friendly(?) conversation still goes on:

~Shing Jea Monastery
~Pre-Searing
~GToB AD1
~RA (lawl)
~Kamadan, kinda...

Hah, you can certainly cross the second one off that list, Pre-searing is where the worst happens..to put it into 3 words: perverted emos cybering(in all chat)

[Scf Blacknight]

Originally Posted by Avarre

The Guild Wars community is nowhere near the rudest community on the internet.

Play any game from the Battlefield series for about an hour. Easily the worst community in a game i've played.

[hurdlebeast]

yes, there is rudeness in GW, but there is also rudeness in every other game online. And as for people expecting you to be elite as soon as you leave the outposts, i've found that to be generally untrue, with the following circumstances exempt:

1) If you are in a high-end or elite area.
2) If you are paying or being payed for runs, powerleveling, farming, etc.
3) If you are in an EotN dungeon.
4) If you are the lowest level in the group.

If you are in a high-end area, you are expected to be elite, or at least not a noob. IE; generally it's ok to die if you can't help it, but it's not ok to try to Leeroy Jenkins a mob and expect to be rezed immediately (or at all, for that matter) when all that's left in your group is a single monk. As such, it is not appropriate to spam "rez please" or "i'm dead" or draw/ping the map nonstop. that is just asking for rudeness.

If you are paying for a run/powerleveling, you are expected to do what the runner/powerleveler tells you to, and help out however you can. If you are running/powerleveling, and getting paid for it, you are expected to know exactly what you are doing, and that you have done it before, but as the saying goes, shit happens. sometimes the runner/leveler dies, in which case you rez, and move on. simple as that.

Eye of the North dungeons can be tricky on the courtesy level. On one hand, they are part of the non-elite game, but on the other hand, they can be harder than some of the elite areas of the game. Plus, they have end-dungeon reward chests :-D so generally (especially in Hard Mode) you have to know what you are doing, to a point. expect rudeness if you screw up and get the team wiped, because people do these things for the $$$ involved

This next one sucks, but if you are the lowest level in the group (a level 15 in a group of level 20's) good luck, first off, getting into a group, and if anything bad happens, the blame is usually pointed in your direction ("We would have made it if we had all level 20's >.<") I know it sucks, but that's life.

In my experience, those are the only four times when rudeness is consistently seen in PvE guild wars. Granted, you will always have some guy, no matter what the age group, that is a complete jerk. Just remember to ignore that guy, have fun with the game, and don't treat rudeness with more rudeness.

[cosyfiep]

I'd say its a bit of a bunch of things.
1..free to play...so more people can play it
2 its the internet...anonymity breads contempt
3 the people who chat in all chat want to be heard---they are usually the people most of us would ignore in public.....most of us have friends we play with or a guild we have joined and no longer need to spam to get attention.

so add that up and what do you get???? a free game with anonymity and friendless people spamming----so get out of the cities and outposts and play the game instead!

[Inger]

case in point just look at this forum to see some of said GW rudeness

[the_jos]

It has something to do with the anonimity of the internet, the person behind the keyboard and age.

First the 'age' part.
I've met some players who are mature for their age but would still in specific ways express themselfs in a way that others could see as rude.
It's just that growing up children have different ways of thinking and reacting than adults in some situations.

Second, the person behind the keyboard.
I once told a guildie that I believe that when you play long enough with each other you will find out how people really are.
Some people are rude in real life and also on the internet.
Some, but very few, are nice in real life and rude on the internet because they can.
Some are nice in real life and nice on the internet.
However, in a competitive environment people can and will say things they should not. But most of GW isn't that competitive.

Last, people can say things on the net they would not say in real life because they would get a punch in the face.
I've seen that happen a lot on various places but in the end it comes down to their personality.
The people I've had some nasty encounters with are not the kind of people I would like to be friends with. I've met several of them so I know what I'm talking about.

There is one more thing.
If I consider something to be rude someone else may not find that. Or the other way around.
For example, I've seen US players get very upset about things that I would say to colleagues or friends here in Europe.
Or take for example a christian player who comes into a 'mature' guild where the only chat rule is: there are no rules.


The guild wars community rude?
I do see rude people once in a while but in general I don't think GW players are rude.

[Hailey Anne]

Originally Posted by Gift3d

Kids play video games. That's what they do. Wherever there is a video game, there will be kids.

Now, if you see a 14 year old kid playing a computer game, and an old hairy 40 year old guy playing a video game, which do you think would look less appropriate? The 40 year old guy.

The GW community, for some unknown reason, is FULL of these people who are 30+ years old spending massive time on Guild Wars. Their carebear attitude and habit of taking everything far too serious is pretty much opposite of the people of the age group that SHOULD be playing video games (14-20ish) who are lighthearted players who can joke around. That's where the nuclear war happens. It's like when cold and warm air fronts collide, what do you get? A tornado. And in this case, it's a shitstorm tornado of over-punctuation and reports, and "NOUNOUNOU DIK DIK DIK" 's.

I think you have that completely backwards there.
Its the kids who CANT joke around they are the ones that take everything too far. I am in an 18+ guild for a reason and guess what, we dont have alot of drama you find in the guilds that have kids.